I know in the ending organs and synthetics merge. But i just want to know - does it end the Reaper cycle? And is there peace between organics and synthetics? TOMCAT1025
That is the presumption, because organics and synthetics no longer exist as two separate forms of life. With no true organics to be eradicated from AI creation, the Reapers no longer have a purpose. It really makes no sense though, since any intelligent species will invariably create technology to compensate for deficiencies present in a given body plan, which will probably include intelligence. Synthetics are no longer truly synthetics, nor are organics truly organics, instead existing as a single form of life.
From the Catalyst's point of view, this is, in fact, the only ending that ends both the Reaper cycle AND the need for the cycle to exist in the first place. The other two do away with the Reapers themselves, but the root problem (the inevitability that organics will create synthetics, which will in turn rebel and destroy all organics) remains. It's still a poorly thought out method for dealing with the problem, though, because as has been said, the fact that all life is now some sort of synthetic-organic hybrid does not preclude the creation of other, purely synthetic forms of life (which may themselves rebel as other synthetic races presumably did in the past) at some point down the line.
I'm not sure how I feel about this ending... But here are some questions: if you pick this ending, one could assume that Joker can (maybe) walk normally, him and EDI could now have... robo children since she would be part organic. And could Tali then live outside her suit?
Joker Cannot walk normally as seen at the crash, he still limps. EDI cannot have children. She did not magically gain a reproductive system. Tali might be able to live outside her suit, assuming bacteria is no longer harmful. If it is, then she is screwed.
From what I understood, if Shepard chooses Synthesis, every organic being receives the same implants as he has. This assumption is based on the Catalyst's description, but it surely doesn't explain how plants become part-synthetic too, or why Joker's skin glows. Yet another reason why I despise this ending -- it's so random and illogical. Will-O-Wisp
^it's not random at all, and from my point of view its actually the most logical choice (from a neutral standpoint) because neither the Catalyst nor the Organics are wrong. the Catalyst was right that eventually the Synthetics would want to oppose the chaos that their imperfect creators represent OR the Organics would feel threatened by the Synthetics and try to wipe them out, also the Organics want nothing more but to be free and do what they want... so by combining the two it brings order to the chaos but also leaves room for that oh so sweet freedom we all enjoy and love. HC
The plants are also organic life forms. Their skin and eyes glow because it was based more off of the Illusive Man not Shepard. The ending makes sense the reapers not only want to end synthetic rebellion and they want to clear the way for the next species. So a new species doesn't try to destroy the current empire.
I just want to point out that the Reapers are already a hybrid form of life as we discovered during ME2... so it sounds to me like synthesis just accelerates the process for the Reapers. (except for the semi-minor point that everyone would be mini-reapers instead of a few huge ones) 184.108.40.206
^They would NOT be "mini-reapers" - The Reapers and Catalyst have a will which is consigned to an objective of ensuring the evolution of organic life, and preventing the uncontrollable creation / rebellion of synthetic life. So they CAN'T be considered to have free will. But all life forms which are synthesised in the Synthesis ending DO have free will! There have been many arguments that "Synthesis means that only the Reapers win, because it was everything that Saren waxed lyrical about in ME1" - But Saren's own free will was compromised in the steps that HE took to merge himself with Sovereign and his technology! Synthesis by means of the Crucible / Citadel does not come with that compromise. It simply makes for a peaceful solution, and a bold new evolution in life. Drewyd
Did anyone notice this when the Catalyst explained Synthesis?
^ 1) I replaced the video with a link to it, please don't upload videos in the future and use links instead :) 2) Yeah, that much was clear, and it's sad that this will be ignored - endings won't be changed. Land Raider
There are a couple points I would like to make about this ending. First ( It really makes no sense though, since any intelligent species will invariably create technology to compensate for deficiencies present ) this makes no sense. As a hybrid organic- synthantic any technology created will benefit everybody, because it will be used by everybody if its an advantage. If it is not advantagious it would presumingly be discarded or destroyed as it has no benefits. All the geth upgrades were uploaded to all geth. A little ways up someone states that tali might be able to live without her suit if bacteria isn't harmful, and I would say to that that if you secured peace with the geth and quarians, she clearly states that the geth are helping the quarians with that by uploading into their suit and jumpstarting their immune systems. A slide in the ec ending clearly shows an umasked quarian so there is proof the quarians can live outside their suit. The ending itself doesn't break down what gets merged or who turns into what. It just states organics and synthantics merge. In edi's speech she does state that organics gain the perfection of the machines and the machines gain understanding of organics. Another poster states that edi doesn't magically get a reproductive system which might be true but we don't know that for sure, it is just as plausible that she did gain the ability to reproduce. We were lead to believe throughout all 3 games that husks were mindless creatures who reacted off basic instincts, but in the ending you clearly see them becoming aware of themselves and their surroundings. With the perfection of the machines, whos to say they could not find a way to give edi and the like the ability to reproduce. The last point I would like to make is this, I have read other posts that claim this ending is flawed, because life will pop up somewhere that isn't organic-synthantic hybrid thus you are forcing the future for all the galaxy based off a flawed arguement if you will. First you are not forcing the galaxy to do anything, because the galaxy put you in charge of deciding how best to defeat the reapers and they gave you the power to do whatever it took to stop the reapers from destroying everybody. This is why the catalsyt says they have tried a similar approach before but the galaxy wasn't ready for it but it is now. The reason it is now is because the galaxy gave you the power to determine their fate. Second life will not and can not form from nothing. When the wave goes out from the crucible it converts everything organic and synthantic to one form, this means everything, from single cell organisms to highly advanced sexbots. Where is the new life suppose to come from? If you believe we came from a primordal soup and that life sprang up from this, that wave will have converted it to , so where or how is life suppose to spring up?
In answer to "where or how is life suppose to spring up?":
It is evident that in the mass effect universe organic life is spontaneously created in suitable planets. Their solution to the Fermi paradox is that every 50k years advanced civilizations are wiped out, but the probability for life to spring up spontaneously is high.
Having the "primordial soup" being partly synthetic makes no sense, as the "primordial soup" is just some simple molecules that got combined by chance to become self replicating molecules. How can these molecules be partly synthetic?
The most plausible explanation for this ending is that instead of magically and instantly changing your physical makeup into a hybrid - the consciousness of everyone sentient is snatched into a Reaper simulation of the universe. Living in this "matrix", every sentient life is just simulated, and hence new forms would also be "hybrids".
This means that the ending we see does not occur in the real world, but in a simulation. This may be far fetched, but it is the only way to make sense of this poorly thought out ending.